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Solutions for Complex Conflict
Ending Confusion © Martyn Carruthers, 2002-2012 Soulwork Croatia / Hrvatska

Conflict Resolution Transcript transcribed by Ana Pejcinova, PhD


Online Coaching & Mentorship

This transcript was recorded during a seminar in Poland by Martyn Carruthers
about coaching people who show signs of identity loss. A portion of this transcript
about How children create complex conflict is posted at chronic conflict.

People suffering compulsions and addictions often describe a predictable structure
of underlying conflict ... a sense of cognitive dissonance and unaligned emotions.
Here is an example of coaching a person to explore the source of such a conflict.

Transcript of Conflict Resolution

  1. This transcript is only a part of one of Martyn's systemic coaching strategies. Here Martyn coaches a man to explore the structure of a complex conflict and ways to resolve it.
  2. The demo subject, let's call him Jan, is one of Martyn's students. He trusts Martyn and is
    familiar with Martyn's models of consciousness - he does not need to fight or resist them.
  3. The audience consisted of therapists and students of Martyn's systemic coaching.
  4. Martyn often pauses demonstrations to give people time to ponder what they discover
    and to offer a class insights into his strategies and the client's non-verbal cues.
  5. If you try to apply the coaching steps with your own conflicts, be careful and gentle.
    Give yourself time to ponder and integrate what you find. Make haste slowly!
  6. If you follow Martyn's strategy with your own conflict and you experience strong or
    overwhelming emotions, please find professional help. We can coach people through
    complex conflict, identity loss, recovery and integration online.
  7. If you follow this strategy with your own conflict; note that Martyn pays huge attention to
    non-verbal communication (unconscious body language). Also, please avoid making important
    life decisions unless you feel sure that your emotions are stable and your decisions are mature.
  8. Complete, long-term solutions of complex conflict using our coaching usually require 6-20
    hours (including assimilating the trauma in which the identity conflict was created and replacing identity beliefs). This depends on a person's age, health, motivation and maturity.

Jan is a businessman about 45 years old. He and Martyn briefly discuss his major conflict (boom-bust cycles of success and failure in his many businesses) and decide it would not be appropriate for a demonstration. They agree to explore a lesser conflict about Jan's dislike of his own smoking habit.

Conflict Resolution Transcript

Martyn: [To class] I ask that you all remain silent. I will ask Jan some goal questions and we will explore what he hopes to achieve. Jan and I briefly discussed his general situation, and I suspect a complex conflict.

Normally I would start by saying something like; [To Jan] Hello Jan, it is an interesting day today, the weather is changing, and maybe you can change too. Thank you for volunteering. What would be wonderful for you to achieve or to change in this demonstration? What do you want in this context?

Jan: I have an issue with smoking: [leans forward, uses his right hand to point right and then left in front of him] one part of me wants to smoke, and another does not want to, absolutely not [coughs].

Martyn: [To class] This is normal - Jan did not state a goal. Few people with deep conflict can congruently say what they want. What did you notice about Jan's movements? Jan says that part of him wants to smoke, and part of him wants to quit smoking. Addictions typically involve identity loss. Notice Jan's physiology when he considers what he wants.

Martyn: [To Jan] Tell us again, Jan! Which is which?

Jan: [unconsciously repeats body movements]: Smoking [points to right front]. Not smoking [points to left front].

Martyn: [To class] Imagine that you can hallucinate the space around Jan, imagine that you can almost see his two motivations, one on each side in front of him. Let's explore this.

Martyn: [To Jan] By the way Jan, where would your father appear, when you want to smoke? [This refers to an earlier training topic, systemic diagnosis in relationship systems; Jan understands that the question asks for contextual subjective experience. Jan gazes right and then points to his right side]

Martyn: And mother?

[Jan gazes left and then points to his left side]

Martyn: [To class] This indicates that Jan's conflict about smoking might be parent related. Do you remember the family matrix positions? Jan gestures to the left about "Stop smoking" and to his right about "Smoking". So perhaps it's a parental conflict that Jan has carried into his own life. That's just a guess and as this is not Soul-guesswork ... let's find out more.

Martyn: [To Jan] Did your parents smoke?

Jan: Mother never smoked.

Martyn: And father?

Jan: [looks surprised] All his life!

Martyn: Thanks Jan. [To class] Do you see how inner conflict can overlap with a family matrix? Jan may have a deeper conflict, something like: "Do I follow my father and annoy my mother, or do I follow my mother and irritate my father?" Can you perceive a systemic aspect of his conflict?

Martyn: [To Jan] Do you really want to quit smoking?

Jan: [opens his eyes wide, looks around, at the floor, to the left, to the right, lifts his left hand slightly and opens his mouth but says nothing and looks at Martyn. Laughter in class]

Martyn: [To class] Remember that moment - that is what conflict physiology looks like!

Jan: As I said, one part of me wants to, another part of me doesn't. I want to.

Martyn: To stop, or to smoke?

Jan: [louder voice] To stop!

Martyn: Can you imagine a future Jan in a smoke-free zone?

Jan: [voice becomes high-pitched - like choking] I can.

Martyn: Really? Where?

Jan: He's in a fog.

Martyn: How far away is future Jan's fog?

Jan: Not far! Two steps.

Martyn: What would be on your first step, do you think?

Jan: [Gazes about one meter in front of him] Making the decision ...

Martyn: And the first step is here? [Points one meter in front of Jan]

Jan: Yes.

Martyn: And the second step?

Jan: There [points about two 2 meters in front]

Martyn: Excellent. What might be on the second step?

Jan: Freedom.

Martyn: Great. And if the first step is here [points one meter in front of Jan], maybe that's where you make a decision. That seems like quite a big elephant, so let's check. [Martyn often refers to an elephant metaphor, "How do you swallow an elephant?"] Can you make this decision easily, or ... ?"

Jan: Not so easy.

Martyn: Maybe there are little steps before you make a decision? What do you think would be the first step toward making a decision?

Jan: On the first step [left foot jerks] I need more motivation [gestures with right hand].

Martyn: Thanks Jan [To class] Did you notice Jan's body when he talked about finding more motivation? First he moved his left foot - that's the side that doesn't want to smoke. And then he moves his right hand and says "I need more motivation" and that's the side that wants to smoke ... I'm saying what I see Jan do, for you people who are too busy writing notes to ... watch this carefully ...

Martyn: [To Jan] Where could you find more motivation? Do you need to see somebody die of lung cancer? Maybe something else?

Jan: [sighs, lowers voice tone] Exercises.

Martyn: What exercises would you like to do instead of smoking?

Jan: [left foot jerks as right side relaxes, then overall posture drops] Tai Chi.

Martyn: Thanks [To class] Look at Jan's physiology! Do his left side and the right side give the same message? The right side seems to show "Let's stay on this stool," while the left side may show "Come on, let's go!" When does Jan's motivation drop?

Martyn: [To Jan] How do you feel when you smoke, Jan?

Jan: Physically not very well, and mentally not good too, if I'm with someone who doesn't smoke.

Martyn: So when you smoke you do feel not good. How do you feel when you don't smoke?

Jan: When I smoke, I start to control myself, that for other people it may not be alright, they give me negative feedback, so I control myself  [Nonsense bipolar sentences are common in conversations with people who suffer complex conflict.]

Martyn: Of course ... what happens when you stop smoking?

Jan: I'm more relaxed.

Explore One Side of Conflict: Part 1

Martyn: What motivates you to smoke?

Jan: It is like the deepest need of my organism.

Martyn: Where would you feel this deepest need of your organism?

Jan: It is on my right side.

Martyn: Good, Jan, imagine you can see on your right side this deepest need of your organism for smoking. What would it look like?

Jan: Like a clown.

Martyn: A big clown? A little clown?

Jan: A big one.

Martyn: And what would the big clown say to you?

Jan: He says, "Let's have fun!"

Martyn: Great, perhaps the big clown motivates you to enjoy life?

Jan: [nods his head with a smile]

Explore Other Side of Conflict: Part 2

Martyn: Now you see what motivates you to smoke. And, on the other side, what is your motivation to not smoke? What would it look like?

Jan: Like a very beautiful, white birch tree.

Martyn: And is that birch tree big or little?

Jan: Quite big.

Martyn: How do you feel when you look towards this big white birch tree?

Jan: Super!

Explore Integration of Parts 1 and 2

Martyn: Take a moment to look at them both together: the clown on your right, and the white birch on your left: two different ways to enjoy life. Too bad that they cannot work together. Imagine you can have all of the fun of the clown, and the peaceful beauty of the white birch tree. [Pause] What would your life be like, if these two sides of you could find a way to work together - to be together?

Jan: I would feel totally resourceful, open and joyful.

Martyn: How would your life change if you live like that?

Jan: I think ... ummm ... [Jan's muscles relax and he gazes into space]

Martyn: Thank you, Jan. I'll talk to the class for a minute.

Theory of Identity Conflict

Martyn: [to class] Coaching conflict can be complex, so I'll break it into steps. On one side Jan [points to Jan's right] finds motivation to smoke, and on the other side of him [points to Jan's left] is motivation to not smoke, and Jan lives with this double motivation. He can feel good when he smokes, and he can feel good when he doesn't smoke. But he experiences conflict when he chooses a motivation.

You could call the clown a "personality side" of Jan, or you can call it a "part" or "ego state" or even a "complex". Jan describes the qualities of the white birch tree on the left. As Jan looks at his representation of his future, he sees fog between him and the future he wants to live.

During conflict coaching, you can probably find two conscious parts quickly, two motivations towards two conflicting behaviors. Often a person likes the one side and dislikes the other: [opens one palm, as if holding a "part" and speaks with an enthusiastic voice] "This is the side of me that wants me to be healthy, [opens the other palm and speaks with a disgusted voice] and this is the bad side of me that makes me eat cake." Many clients say, "Help me get rid of a horrible side of me!"

Imagine that I am your client and I'm talking to you directly: I say "I have a bad part of me that makes me do a bad thing, and I want you to help me kill it and throw it away." What's your next step?

Student: "What are the benefits of the horrible part?"

Martyn: Good! [acts client] Benefits? What do you mean by benefits? I can't stop X, but - I hate that part of me! There can be no benefits from doing it, it's killing me, it's antisocial.

Student: Not benefits from doing it, but benefits from killing that part.

Martyn: Good question. [acts as a client] If you cut it away, I could forget about it entirely... [to student] What would be your next step?

Student: What does this part want to tell you? [Jan's left hand twitches but he still gazes into space]

Martyn: Good! [acts as a client] Eugh! It wants me to be sick. I don't like it!

Martyn: Often a client will like only one part [acts client]: "There's a beautiful part of me that wants me to be happy, and there's a dark side of me that makes me feel sad." Or "I want to live and I hate the part of me that has cancer," Or "I want peace but there is a demon in me that makes me angry," Or "I dream of harmony but I have an aggressive side that destroys my relationships."

In my opinion, many people pay you to make friends with their own parts that they do not like. And then you can introduce those parts to your client in a friendly way. Sometimes one part of a person is also identified - a person may jump in and out of deep sadness or rage as they change polarity.

We had a client who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. We ... maybe we don't understand what schizophrenia means to the psychiatrist who referred her to us. This woman seemed to have a part that is frightened, and she hated feeling fear. For two hours, all we did was to make friends with her fearful side. Then she could feel protected by her fear and she could talk about her goals peacefully.

(2 years later: This woman now appears mentally healthy and takes no medication - see schizophrenia)

Would you like to benefit from our experience?

Jan [sighs and starts looking around]

For example, [To Jan] would you like to continue researching your conflict?

Jan [smiles and nods]

Jan, on your right side of you there was a motivation to smoke, a clown, and on the left side there was motivation to be healthy, a beautiful white birch tree. I wonder what the clown would say about the white birch tree?

Jan: That it is beautiful.

Martyn: If the birch tree could talk; what would the birch say about the clown?

Jan: That it is so jovial.

Martyn: What does the clown know? What can the birch learn from the clown about life?

Jan: That it is possible to live life with joy, that life means joy.

Martyn: Can you ask the tree, would it like the clown to teach it about the joy of life?

Jan: It does, and in the same time it knows that it is important to find all joy of life.

Martyn: Wise tree! And what does the clown need to learn from the birch about life?

Jan: It is not necessary to be a clown all the time - it is enough to be a clown for performances only.

Part 3 becomes Conscious

Martyn: [To class] Note Jan's physiology is now symmetrical. At this moment I see no sign of conflict. Jan can appreciate a side of him that likes to have fun, and he can appreciate a side of him that likes to live peacefully. My next question may be: how can Jan maintain this state through life challenges? Notice what happens when we explore integration.

[To Jan] Imagine you can live your life with the beautiful white birch and the clown together inside you, so that on every step you take, you can feel the harmony of the birch and the joy of the clown. How would it be to live your life like that, Jan?

Jan: Super ... it feels ... wonderful [Part 3]

Martyn: Imagine you can take a wonderful step into the future, and live your life in harmony, peace and fun. Maybe it could be wonderful to live with no inner objections ... no conflict.

Part 4 becomes Conscious

Jan: [flat voice and tiny movements of hands, shoulders and head] In such a life there would be no obstacles.

Martyn: [To class] Look at Jan, his body started a series of slight movements, so it seems that another part might soon be conscious. Or maybe I'm wrong; maybe there is no objection. [Saying that is provocation for Jan, whose unconscious twitches become stronger.]

[To Jan] Maybe this change would be perfect for you without any problems.

Jan: Yes. [with weaker and weaker voice] Let's do it.

Martyn: Super! [To class] I taught you all how to deal with Yes, but and Yes/No objections ...

[To Jan] Jan, I would be happy to help you make this wonderful step into your future. [Jan smiles. To Jan] Is there something that could stop you in living this peaceful joy? [Jan rests his chin on his right hand and raises some fingers of his left hand. To class] Notice that Jan immediately becomes asymmetrical. Perhaps another part is emerging: he's signaling with his left hand.

Jan: I think I'd get sick.

Martyn: This is important. A part  of Jan (part 1) wants to quit smoking, another part (part 2) wants to smoke. Some sort of integration of those is possible, two let's call it "peaceful life" (part 3) for now. As Jan starts to consider "peaceful life", a fourth part emerges that objects to "peaceful life" (part 3). Remember - this fourth part was latent, in a fog, until Jan considered this possibility.

Now Jan is saying: "Wow, this is wonderful! It's what I want in life." And now another part of Jan objects (part 4), saying "Hey, wait! Stop!!!" This fourth part had nothing to say earlier, perhaps because peace and joy were in conflict, and peaceful joy could not be considered. Now that there is a possibility of this basic conflict being integrated, and peaceful joy being realized, part 4 wakes up and maybe communicates, "Stop! Wait! This conflict has an important purpose!"

[To Jan] Feel this side of you that maybe would get you sick. Where might this part be?

Jan: In my body.

Martyn: Where in your body? [Jan shows signs of trance] Take your time ...

[To class] This fourth part may not communicate unless the surface conflict may be dissolved ... this surface conflict may be important and should not be lost ...

There is a NLP technique called Visual Squash: we could have one part fully on this side [holds a "part" in one hand] and one part fully on this side [holds a conflicting "part" in the other hand], and then with hypnotic language, [Martyn emphasizes "NO" non-verbally], Jan would be instructed to squash these two parts together. They may use post-hypnotic double-binds to keep those two parts bonded.

[To Jan] So what would be the result if you squash these two parts together?

Jan: [enthusiastic tonality] Good!

Martyn: And this part here, the fourth part, what would it say if these two parts are squashed together?

Jan: [pause] I'd feel that I have no power; umm [pause] I don't want to do that squash.

Martyn: However, if I am convinced that it's good for you, maybe I'll grab your hands and I'll squash them together physically. If you are partly in trance, it would take a lot of composure to resist my suggestion. What would this fourth part say?

Jan: That it should not work this way, that it is not right.

Martyn: What would happen?

Jan: [neck and chest tighten] I'd choke.

Martyn: [To group] Fortunately, most people seem to be healthy enough to un-squash or dis-integrate hypnotic commands, and within a few days or weeks, they recreate their conflict. Then their conscious mind says, "Hah - it didn't work!" Therapists often call these people resistant clients! But the people who are not healthy enough to untangle the conflicting parts - obedient clients - may feel weaker or become physically ill. I was rather well trained in NLP, and I discourage the use of many NLP techniques. (See NLP Techniques & Personal Ecology).

[To Jan] So, imagine this fourth part of you, Jan, the part of you that wants you to have harmony and joy apart, in conflict. Imagine that you can see this fourth part of you. Maybe it is watching carefully what is happening about this conflict. Maybe ask this part, "What does it gain by keeping this conflict?" Something so important that if you lose it, it may make you sick.

Jan: This part says that I can be friendly to both people who smoke and to people who don't.

Martyn: Does this part want you to be friendly with people?

Jan: Yes [gestures with right hand to Father position]

Martyn: Whom especially does this part want you to be friendly with?

Jan: With my family [gestures with right hand to Father position]

Martyn: Maybe this part thinks that if you stop smoking and live joyfully and peacefully, something not good will happen with your family?

[To class] Notice that every time Jan speaks about this fourth part, he uses his right hand and not his left. Remember who seemed to stand there earlier.

[To Jan] And imagine that you can see this fourth part of you, Jan, what would it look like?

Jan: Like a Chinese scroll.

Martyn: Maybe you would like to thank this Chinese scroll for its wisdom: it wants you to have good relationships with your family. Maybe, in the opinion of this part, if you live joyfully and peacefully, you might lose connection with your family. What do you think?

Jan: This part says that these things, smoking and contact with family, do not depend on each other.

Martyn: Good. So focus on this Chinese scroll, and also keep your attention on the other two parts, the birch and the clown helping each other. What would the Chinese scroll like to say to the birch and the clown together?

Jan: That everything possible, everything that they may want to reach, lies inside a person [points with his right hand to his own chest]

Martyn: Excellent! And what would the tree and the clown say about this concept that everything that they may want to reach lies inside this person? [points at Jan]

Jan: They agree. My whole future ... ummm ... [signs of trance]

Martyn: [To class] It seems that the first level of conflict for Jan is about behavior: "Do I smoke, or do I not smoke?" And the second conflict is about values - about what is important: joy and harmony outside in the world (part 3), or inside Jan (part 4)? This fourth part of Jan seems to communicate to Jan: "If you only find harmony outside, you will be sick."

Part 5 becomes Conscious

Now we can explore the second level of integration and, who knows, maybe we will find a fifth part that is not yet conscious. A fifth part would become conscious by objecting to parts 3 and 4 cooperating. The first conflict was about smoking versus not smoking, and the second looks like outer joy versus inner joy. Lets go back to Jan [turns to Jan and observes him for a second].

[To Jan] Jan, can you imagine again that you can see the white birch and the clown working together, so that you can have harmony and joy simultaneously in your life. Of course, there is this side of you that says, "Hey, there can be harmony and joy inside too, and not only in the world." Imagine Jan, what would happen if you find harmony and joy inside and outside simultaneously. Imagine you can live life with internal harmony and joy and external harmony and joy. What would that be like?

Jan: It looks like my main life goal.

Martyn: [To class] This conflict may lead to "What is the meaning of my life?" I said earlier that a conscious conflict is rarely so important: for example "Do I smoke - or do I not smoke?" is a detail compared to "What is my main life goal?"

[To Jan] What does this side want to tell you about the your main life goal?

Jan: That it is important to live life in balance. Inside and outside balance [Here is part 5].

Martyn: I wonder what the birch and the clown working together would say about the part of you that wants inside and outside balance simultaneously?

Jan: The birch says that "There is health inside harmony", and the clown adds, "And joy!"

Martyn: Imagine you can live your life with harmony and joy inside, and within harmony and joy in the outside world. Fantastic! Perhaps you begin to realize what your purpose in life is: to live life, harmoniously and joyfully inside and outside. Nothing else is so important. Wonderful - yes?

Part 6 becomes Conscious

[At first, Jan shows signs of exaltation, then surprise, then doubt, after a few moments his posture drops; and then he shows an expression as if of a sudden realization.]

Martyn: Bonnng! Looks like part 6 is showing its head! [laughter in class] Something important may still be missing. What do you think, Jan? Is something still missing?

[Jan closes his eyes and his face muscles become flaccid]

Chronic Conflict Explained

[Martyn to class] The relationship dynamics underlying chronic conflict usually fit into the family matrix that we taught earlier. When you coach people to resolve the first level of conflict, a client often says something like, "Everything that I've ever wanted is possible now!" while signaling "No!" non-verbally. (You can dissolve this and similar objections using the Yes/No skills that you learned earlier.)

Jan started with a conscious conflict, then found layers of unconscious conflict. Often, the conscious parts are like voices: one may urge, "Smoke! Yes! Smoke!" and the other, "Don't smoke! No! Don't smoke!" Imagine how it would be to make decisions from in-between two loud inner voices.

Student: I can think of many people who live their lives like that.

Martyn: I'd guess between 15% of Europeans and maybe 20% North Americans, based on my clients, workshops and talks, although perhaps my work attracts people with complex conflicts.

Martyn explanation of chronic conflict

[Martyn watches Jan as he talks. After a few minutes, Jan makes some small movements and opens his eyes; Martyn turns to Jan.]

Martyn: Anyway, that's too much theory; right Jan? Can we check if any of this makes sense?

[To Jan] Hej Jan, dzien dobry - jak sie masz? [Hi Jan, good day - how are you?] Remember the clown on your right. The clown (part 1) said that smoking will give you more fun and joy in life. And on your left was the beautiful white birch (part 2) which may represent your peaceful health. And if the clown and the white birch are together in front of you, you experience cooperation with the outside world (part 3). That looks great: you can express joyous motivation and peaceful beauty during life. And on your right was a Chinese scroll (part 4) that seemed to say, "No! It is more important that you experience cooperation inside."

Perhaps you can say "Thank you" to the Chinese scroll. And feel the conflict between the Chinese scroll and the cooperation between the clown and the white birch. And imagine, Jan, the possibility to have cooperation inside and cooperation outside at the same moment. Imagine that you can live your life with full cooperation inside, and with peace and fun in the outside world. What would it be like, if you can enjoy both of those simultaneously?

Jan: I feel a strong inner need to find such life.

Martyn: Imagine that you can see future Jan who can enjoy full internal peace, while peacefully finding cooperation with the outside world. What might you call a state when you have full cooperation inside and full cooperation outside?

Jan: I don't know why, but I see the symbol of a cross in front of me.

Martyn: Great, look at that symbol of the cross in front of you, perhaps a symbol that might represent Christianity - perhaps a symbol of two parts working together - perhaps peaceful fun in life and inner cooperation - perhaps something more spiritual - perhaps some or all of these. What name would you give to this cross (part 5) that may somehow represent the integration of the second conflict.

Jan: Harmony!

Martyn: Consider living life with harmony, with full inside harmony and full outside harmony. Maybe that would be perfect! Maybe nothing else is wanted or needed. Maybe that would be the end of the path, there would be nothing else to do.

Jan: [hesitates] I ... need to contact others as well ... I need to see my harmony in a context.

Martyn: Good. And enjoy feeling your need to contact others. A part of you wants to live in full harmony, and perhaps another part of you says, "Something important is still missing!" What is this part like - that wants you to contact others?

Jan: Like a sunflower. [Part 6]

Martyn: Look at the sunflower that represents contact with others, and also at the cross, which represents harmony inside and outside. And when you consider contact with friends, who is the most important person to be in contact with?

Jan: With my mother.

Martyn: And look at that sunflower with the idea of full contact with your mother, and with other people. With the cross you may find harmony, inside and outside. Consider the possibility of living your life with full harmony inside and outside, and with full contact with people, especially with your mother. How would it be for you to experience both of these together in the same moment?

Jan: Great.

Part 7 becomes Conscious

Martyn: Can you imagine stepping into that future, to a place where the sunflower and the cross become one? Can you imagine stepping into full connection with friends and mother, and simultaneously full harmony inside and outside? [Jan nods] What might be a symbol of this integration?

Jan: The sun. [Part 7]

Martyn: And if you look into that sun, how old is this part of you that is like the sun?

Jan: Six ... six years old.

Martyn: Imagine you are six years old, shining like the sun. What would prevent you from shining like the sun? What could prevent you from having harmony inside and outside, and full connection?

Jan: Father!

Martyn: Where is your father at this moment when you are shining like the sun?

Jan: He's about here. [gestures to his right]

Martyn: What would it be like to grow up and become an adult man, still shining like the sun, with full connection to mother and to father, and with full harmony, inside and outside?

Jan: [deep strong voice] All my life I wanted this.

Martyn: Imagine he is six years old. What was happening between your parents then? He's a brilliant 6-years old boy, shining like the sun. What could motivate him to hide his light?

Jan: I see my parents fighting.

Martyn: And look at your parents - look at them as if he is still a 6-year old boy who shines like the sun. How can he love his fighting parents?

Jan: [deeply resourceless in posture and voice] He is ... I am ... lost!

Martyn: [To class] That "I am lost" sounds like an access to an underlying relationship bond - a limiting identity belief - I used to call them thoughtforms. You can learn how to help people change relationship bonds in our Systems 5 training. And, as toxic relationship bonds seem to be created in relationship disappointments - our Systems 4 workshop deals with changing the consequences of crisis, trauma and abuse.

Jan: I feel a need to run away from watching my parents fight.

Martyn: He is 6-years old and shining like the sun - where can he run - where can he hide?

Jan: He just wants to be away.

Martyn: He is 6-years old and shining like the sun, how can he hide from your fighting parents?

Jan: Help my mother around the house, be a good worker, help her clean up?

Martyn: What would that mean - to be a good worker?

Jan: Maybe they will love him more and then they will stop fighting.

Martyn: Jan, look at that 6-year old boy shining like the sun. How can you encourage him? How can you love him?

Jan: He needs love.

Martyn: Imagine you can tell that little boy that you love him, that you accept him fully, that you love how he shines like the sun. What would he say?

Jan: [sigh, warm voice] That he lives inside me.

Martyn: Can you ask him if he wants to stay in the past like a childhood memory, or if he wants to participate in your human life?

Jan: He doesn't want to be just a memory.

Martyn: Can you ask him to look at your life; imagine you can show him your successes and your mistakes? Show him your beautiful home and your businesses, your family and your children. Tell him how old you are. [Jan's physiology drops] Maybe he is shocked that you seem so old. Maybe ask him what is missing in your life, something that he's always had, something he's always wanted to give you. What is his greatest treasure, at age 6, that he still has and you forgot about?

Jan: [tears] The inner world.

Martyn: As you feel tears for the little boy you once were, maybe you can enjoy that you have found him again. He was very good at hiding. Many children like playing hide-and-seek. He hid so well that it took you many years to find him. Congratulate him - and perhaps ask him, what is the purpose of life?

Jan: [sobbing] To feel; to love.

Martyn: Can you ask him to show you the source of his love? Can you ask him to take you the next step to that source where love comes from ... what does he show you?

Jan: He shows me the sun.

Martyn: [To class ] This looks like integrity or soul may only be a step or two away.

Martyn: [To Jan ] Imagine you can go with him towards the sun - to where the love comes from. What do you find there?

Jan: Freedom.

Martyn: Do you remember that the second step in your future was freedom? Imagine that you step into that freedom now. What becomes possible if you live life with freedom as the source of your love?

Jan: [smiling in tears] Everything.

Martyn: Would it be TOTALLY OK for you to live life with freedom to love?

Jan: [deep sigh; totally symmetrical body with hands clasped in his lap] Yes!

Martyn: No ... wait ... there must be something else ... maybe something is still missing ... another part ... other possibilities ... another objection ... [Martyn is smiling - he is being provocative]

Jan: [head high, hands on knees, breathing deeply and steadily, smiling peacefully, his voice deep and resonant] Martyn - if I could only live like this ... it's like all possibilities are freely available. I feel complete ... balanced ... connected to life ... there's really no separation ... and all those possibilities are part of me anyway.

Martyn: Thank you Jan. I ask that you take whatever you want from this demo. Thank you from all of us, for being willing to explore the structure of your conflict. We can complete your coaching after this workshop if you like - and we can sort out your parental bonds. Welcome back ... and welcome home!

[Martyn asked Jan a few questions to explore some of the qualities and advantages of integrity as a stable resource state (which Martyn says is important when helping people define and fulfill life goals). Then Jan returned to his chair - almost shining with peaceful congruence.]

Summary of Conflict Resolution

Martyn: [To class] Jan now shows congruence - no indications of another level of conflict. This looks like a classic 7-part identity conflict with three levels of abstraction. It seems to be common ... I'd guess that 15-20% of our clients, students and workshop participants show similar conflicts.

Remember that Jan indicated much of this to us in the first few minutes. Remember his two steps to freedom? Now it looks like two conflict integrations to find not only freedom but also integrity. The next step would change the underlying relationship bonds, so that Jan can live with integrity instead of falling back into conflicts. We cover that in the Bondwork part (Systems 5) of our systemic coach training.

One of the many gifts of Identity Conflict is that the seventh part is often only a step or two from integrity - from the Soul of Soulwork. As when resolving an identification or lost identity, a person can suddenly experience integrity, a stable resource state or life-compass that we sometimes call Soul!

Recall Jan's initial goalwork. He perceived two steps to ending his conflict. He described his behavior conflict, and then (step 1) a value conflict. Jan next talked about his freedom to love - (step 2) an identity conflict. Now Jan knows that these two steps can integrate his complex conflict, and he congruently wants the now-conscious life-goal. (The goals of an age-regressed part or inner child are often childish at first. We often help people mature and integrate childlike parts - and their gifts).

(Note that when a person integrates a complex conflict - that person may feel exhausted. This is not a consequence of our coaching - rather a person was already exhausted but did not notice. Following integration of a complex conflict, many people sleep like rocks for over 12 hours.)

Jan's harvest from this demonstration is not a theory, rather an experience of integrity from which he can evaluate his life. The next steps could be 1) stabilize integrity, 2) find and replace any toxic identity beliefs (relationship bonds) and 3) resolve the abuse or trauma in which those bonds were made. Finally couple coaching (if he is in a partnership), family coaching or team coaching can stabilize the changes within a person's key relationships, while allowing significant other people to explore their life goals.

To readers: thank you for your patience that you read this far. Your attention is a real compliment.
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1. Where are you now? Assess fixations, bonds and enmeshments Systems 1
2. What do you want?  Define life goals ... and blocks to success Systems 2
3. Do you have a plan?  Use conscious and unconscious resources Systems 3
4. Do your emotions limit you?  Dissolve abuse, trauma and mentor damage Systems 4
5. Do your beliefs block you? Change limiting beliefs and end dependence Systems 5
6. Do you feel empty? Resolve identity loss to recover lost qualities Systems 6
7. Is your partner happy? Build healthy partnership (or separate peacefully) Systems 7
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